Week XV John 6:60-71 Many Disciples Desert Jesus 2/19, Tues.

John 6:60-62
•Ascending to where? How would this help the listener understand these matters?
•Does Jesus, after death and resurrection, still possess his physical body?
- CCC 999-1000

John 6:63
•What did “the flesh” refer to?
-Jn 8:15
•What did “my flesh” refer to?
-Jn 6:51, 54, 55, 56
•What are the difference?
-Jn 1:13-14
•Can the fleshly mind or the carnal man understand the spiritual things of Jesus’ teaching? What is necessary to understand the spiritual meaning of Jesus’ words?
-CCC 687

Gnosticism
•What’s Gnosticism?
-CCC 285
•Did John 6:63 support a Gnostic understanding of the flesh?

John 6:64-65
•What most people there for?
-Jn 6:26

John 6:66
•Notice the reaction of the crowd, as Jesus gets more explicit and demanding
-Jn6:28, 41,52, 66
•This is the only case of disciples turning away from Christ over doctrinal issues. Why?

John 6:67-69
•What did Peter’s statement show about him?
•From St Peter’s answer, what came 1st, belief or knowing?
•Does this mean that Christian faith is anti-intellectual or irrational?
-CCC2500
•Why did Peter and the other apostles stay?
-Jn 17:8

John 6:70-71
•How did Jesus treat Judas? How did Jesus treat unbeliever?
-Jn 6:67
•What can we learn from that? How shall we deal with “traitors” or scandals?
-CCC827

Predestination
•Did Jesus “predestinated” Judas to betray him?
•What’s the Catholic understanding of Predestination?
-God infallibly foresees and immutably preordains from eternity all future events, all fatalistic necessity, however, being barred and human liberty remaining intact.

Advanced questions
•Let’s review and summarize John 6